joe biden says, hey, not so fast, huh? >> at least his friends are saying maybe not so fast. i think it's a legitimate idea, the fact that the vice president can compete with hillary clinton. make no mistake, she's the odds-on favorite, another historic presidency. nonetheless, vice president has a lot of standing in the democratic party. secondly, if he or anyone is going to run against hillary, they have to start raising money now because she's out there basically giving speeches and in effect, neutralizing the opposition which mainly means neutralizing the donor base. she's the one who has all the donors now coming her way. you've got to raise about a billion dollars to run for the presidency now, jon. if joe biden is going to do that, he has to get out there and start tapping some donors himself. jon: but hillary was the inevitable candidate last time around and we know what happened. >> she was going to win and a fellow came out of left field, literally, named barack obama. the democratic left or the party has never really trusted bill or hillary clinton, they have frien